DPT Starting stacks

[Wetdog]

I haven't played the DPT for a very long time, about 2 years. Back then I thought the starting stacks were pretty meager. Just out of curiosity, I thought I'd check out the DPT website. I didn't see the blind structure listed anywhere (BM - *hint*hint - put that on the site somewhere fairly prominently), so I went into the forum where you asked for opinions. I found out that starting stacks are 50x the big blind.

I had been a critic of DPT in the past because of the system of seating preferred players first. I don't know if that's still going on, but I must say that having a decent stack gives a player enough play to draw for straights and flushes rather than just going for the big pairs. I think this is good for the game.

Just thought I'd give Brian a thumbs up for that. I am curious though, is there still a priority seating system?

[TJ]

There is still a VIP card that some players possess, but it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be. Come check out the games again.

[adaugust]

On average I have seen 1 or 2 people per night at the bars I have been too. The bottom line is sign up the week before if you are able. Generally if you are in the top 30 you will sit at a 2 table event. The higher up you are on the list the better of course.

[Mondogarage]

I was at the Public House game last night, and there were two dealers, and 25 names on the list. But because only 16 players were actually there, they only ran one table, and dealer #2 got to jump to the front of the line, so you had one table, six on the wait list, and no one went busto for the first 45+ minutes, and I had to wait an hour.

(Personally, I think the letting the dealer move up to the front of the line is completely bogus, but that's a separate issue. Let 'em play, but having them jump to the front of the waiting list is BS, because if they ran a 2nd table, there would not have been a wait list at all.)

I don't think the last person sat down until 1.25 hours into the tournament.

But since I won the tourney, I left happy. Still, the combination of wait time and moving unused dealers in front of patrons was enough for me to possibly never go back to that particular game, though, imho.

[Wetdog]

I agree that moving the dealer to the front is entirely bogus and BM has said in the past that it's against their policy. I also think that one table for 16 players is crap. Waiting for an hour and a quarter to play? Not me. If it's the bar's decision, it's a dumb one. It's also a dumb decision for the patron to wait all that time to get in. I'm not going to buy anything from the bar I play at until I know I'm going to be in the game. So, does it make sense to the bar to scrimp on table costs if they don't make any sales from those waiting?

[Mondogarage]

I agree that moving the dealer to the front is entirely bogus and BM has said in the past that it's against their policy. I also think that one table for 16 players is crap. Waiting for an hour and a quarter to play? Not me. If it's the bar's decision, it's a dumb one. It's also a dumb decision for the patron to wait all that time to get in. I'm not going to buy anything from the bar I play at until I know I'm going to be in the game. So, does it make sense to the bar to scrimp on table costs if they don't make any sales from those waiting?

Well, it was the head dealer's decision. The bar, in this case, seems to take a totally hands off approach to the game. They pretty much just had DPT set up their tables (well, one table, in the end )near the pool table and left them alone. As crap as I thought running a single table was, I could actually get my head around that -- but not letting the other dealer cut to the front of the line. I understand that dealer wasn't going to be paid, because the table wasn't dealt, I get that. But he still showed up as an independent contractor, to work, while the rest of us are the actual patrons/customers/what have you. (I'm not actually blaming him, I'm blaming the dude running the game.)

Well, I still ate, because I was hungry, but bought no more beer. And I won several pots before I tipped the dealer anything at all, and I should have stiffed him at the end, but toked him $5 anyway, because I was in a great Rockies mood and won the cert. Still, that's a lousy way to do business, if you're trying to entice people to come back. I guess I'll play the once-every-six-weeks-or-so DPT, when it's absolutely totally 110% convenient for me, but I won't be spending money in the venues or tipping dealers who make decisions that negatively affect the customer base.

Not that I expect that will change anything, and that's not the point. But I don't see why I should financially support any endeavor that puts players on a wait list as their lowest priority of all, when there's games I can always find immediate seats at.

[Crazy Iraqi]

In almost every case the bar dictates how many tables we as DPT are allowed to run. The dealer who was there usually is in contact with the bar and tells the dealer how many tables they want to run. I will pass along these comments to BM about the dealer jumping to the head of the list as he has been banned from this site.

Mondo when you coming back to Cricket...Hope to see you there soon.


Go Rockies.

Crazy Iraqi

[Mondogarage]

Hey Sam,

I'll be back at the Cricket...I guess the next time there's a band I want to go see on a Tuesday night. :D

Tuesday's usually my night to play at the Bit in Longmont, and I'm top 5 in season standings there right now, so it's gonna have to be a pretty good band to keep me in D-town. Though now that I have one cert, and can use a couple more, you never know....

Actually, I probably will go back to that Public House game, if for no other reason than I think I picked up some really good reads the other night. Anyway, I think the bar had authorized two, but I'm going to guess the two dealers didn't want to run 8 player tables, only to have to break one down in relative short order, and I wasn't *really* sweating that part...just the "head of the line" part.

Gotta get to Coors!

[TJ]

Here's the gist. First off, if only 16 people are there; no way is the bar going to pay for 2 tables. We seat 11 per table, so unless you just have a bar owner that doesn't give a damn about profit, he's only doing the 1 table.

As for the 2nd dealer jumping to the beginning of the list, it's something BM started awhile ago. The dealer showed up at the bar with the intention of working, not playing cards. Thus, he/she would not be on the list at all. It's a gratitude to the dealer, like a "sorry you don't get paid, but at least you don't have to wait forever to play of you decide to stick around.

I've only seen a small handful of people even call attention to the issue, and once explained; they're perfectly ok by it.

[Mondogarage]

Like I said, I don't really have an issue with them running just the one table -- I understand that part of the situation. But when those of us on the wait list have to wait longer *because* of that decision, it just rubs salt into the wound to jump someone to the front of the line.

But whatev, BM's brining in a million a year in revenue, what would he have to care what any one player says. No biggie.

[dexman1349]

This is just one of those situations where someone will end up not happy.

The dealer showed up expecting to get paid for working. Since the table wasn't set-up, he's not getting paid. As a gesture of, "no hard feelings, it's part of the job" he was allowed to sit and play. Not to mention, he was probably committed to working that table long before the signup sheet ever indicated a wait list.

I can understand Mondo's frustration, too. I'd be mad if I was in ANY line for an over an hour and someone got to jump to the front because they had a "hook-up" of some kind.

My $0.02 for either side:
To DPT: the players are what make the company what it is. You piss of enough of them, they'll go elsewhere. Just basic business.

To players: If you're not happy with how the game is handled where you play, contact the tour about your issue. Most of the tours have a website (if the dealers don't have the info there) that contains all the necessary info. If the problem persists, go elsewhere.